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Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:39 pm
by codeslinger@compsalot.com
Endless Compatibility Problems -- well, for example, the above captcha, to enable me to enter this message -- which is a very common brand - frequently encountered on the internet. It is proud to tell me that JavaScript is not enabled, but my browser appears to have javascript, so therefore if I want to use their captcha version that does not require javascript I should disable javascript in my browser. This is being required in order to "protect my security".

So, they claim to have a version that does not require javascript, but they won't let me use that version because I have to disable javascript first, and I have to do this because javascript is already disabled.

I mean, how stooupid can you get. what the frack is with that krap??? and why would the creators of noscript choose to use a captcha that is not even compatible with noscript?

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But I digress:
what I really came here about was to report an apparent bug.

Try to watch the video on this website:
http://chris.pirillo.com/jon-stewart-ri ... a-new-one/

You can't.....

even after endless rounds of temporarily allow all this page, it still would not unblock all of the sites.
now admittedly pirillo's blog is pretty badly junked up with endless amounts of krap. but he does have some good content too and it would be nice to be able to view it.

in particular, noscript continued to block:
conviva.com

but never even offered the option to unblock it, and never reported it in the recently blocked sites list.
I finally opened conviva.com in a separate tab (I could see it coming up in the statusbar) and unblocked it manually.

But even after endless rounds of manually unblocking (temporarily) endless numbers of websites, I never did succeed in watching the video... there might be other issues, but noscript compatibility is a huge part of the problem.

this was with firefox 3.0.19 on ubuntu hardy 8.0.4 with all the updates.

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Please don't misunderstand me, I LOVE NOSCRIPT

and I do appreciate that this is a very hard problem to solve.

But I am also endlessly frustrated by the compatibility problems too.
another example is that the XSS filter still does not work properly with godaddy.com (which I reported a long time ago).

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When setting up computers for people (I'm a computer consultant and antivirus expert), it used to be a no brainer that I would always install firefox+noscript. But I got way too many phone calls from people who could not access various websites. So, I finally started uninstalling noscript and I no longer put it on new computers.

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I have mentioned this before, but the message seems to have fallen on deaf ears, so I will say it again... you really truly need to rethink the user interface, while it works fine for geeks like us, it's a total fail for most endusers, they just can not understand what they are supposed to do in order to be able to view a site or more importantly decided when it is safe to unblock a site.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:55 pm
by Alan Baxter
codeslinger@compsalot.com wrote: Try to watch the video on this website:
http://chris.pirillo.com/jon-stewart-ri ... a-new-one/
Works fine for me using NoScript's default settings. All I needed to do was click on the placeholder for the video.
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100413 Firefox/3.6.4
NoScript 1.9.9.74

I guess either your NoScript settings are screwed up or you have an extension conflict. Follow the instructions in the General Troubleshooting Instructions. I doubt step 2 is necessary.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:59 pm
by codeslinger@compsalot.com
P.S. I am NOT using Adblock Plus or Ghostery etc. nothing that should interfere.

Although my personal browser has more items, a typical install that I do for endusers is
TabMix Plus
Colorful Tabs
NoScript

and nothing else


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the Video problem may be specific to Linux, I see that Alan is using MS Windows.

The other problem I have reported above I have repro'ed on both windows and linux.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 11:25 pm
by Alan Baxter
No problem in Fx 3.0.19 either. The video works by just clicking on the placeholder. Sounds like your Linux may be screwed up. Did you follow all the directions in the link I posted? You haven't provided enough information for us to determine that this is a NoScript problem, let alone enough to help you solve your problem.

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.0.19) Gecko/2010031422 Firefox/3.0.19
NoScript 1.9.9.74 using default settings
Default theme. No other extensions.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 11:40 pm
by codeslinger@compsalot.com
okay, the video failure itself is not a noscript problem. I disabled noscript and it now fails inside of ff with the following error:

[Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE) [nsIMIMEService.getTypeFromURI]"
nsresult: "0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE)"
location: "JS frame :: file:///home/em/.mozilla/firefox/vkuuxfit.default/extensions/%7Be0204bd5-9d31-402b-a99d-a6aa8ffebdca%7D/components/external-app-blocker.js
:: anonymous :: line 126" data: no]

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However, what is still a bug with noscript is that even after multiple times of specifying temporarily allow all this page, there were still lots of things blocked. and specifying repeatedly to temporarily allow all did not change the fact of the blocked sites. I had to click on each site individually and specify temporarily allow this site.


and all of the other problems that I mentioned above still remain as problems.

Thank Alan for taking the time to check on this.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 11:53 pm
by Alan Baxter
You're welcome.
codeslinger@compsalot.com wrote:okay, the video failure itself is not a noscript problem. I disabled noscript and it now fails inside of ff with the following error:

[Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE) [nsIMIMEService.getTypeFromURI]"
nsresult: "0x80040111 (NS_ERROR_NOT_AVAILABLE)"
location: "JS frame :: file:///home/em/.mozilla/firefox/vkuuxfit.default/extensions/%7Be0204bd5-9d31-402b-a99d-a6aa8ffebdca%7D/components/external-app-blocker.js
:: anonymous :: line 126" data: no]
That script is in the Torbutton extension.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 11:57 pm
by codeslinger@compsalot.com
there is a user comment on pirillo's site saying that the video does not work on Mac either. So there is something haywire with the video itself. so perhaps it was not a good example of the problems that are typical of noscript.

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tor -- weird..... should not even be active.... hardly every use it.

Yup, disabled and that error goes away. Good Call!!! THANKS!!

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Alan, what is your take on the captcha problem?? it's annoying as all heck and lots of sites use reCaptcha.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 12:24 am
by Alan Baxter
http://forums.informaction.com/viewtopi ... 212#p16212
by Giorgio Maone ยป Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:33 pm
I know, it's a royal PITA, but it's reCaptcha's fault.
You need either to allow both the parent page and recaptcha, or forbid both.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 3:56 am
by Guest
Has anyone tried contacting the reCAPTCHA people??? and explaining to them that not only does their action fail to make the access more secure, but it also makes them look pretty silly in the process....

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:07 am
by codeslinger@compsalot.com
thanks for all of the responses Alan, I am totally impressed.

that last post about the captcha was also from me, forgot to put in my id...
I posted that question over in the captcha topic which is a better place to pursue it.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 4:20 am
by Alan Baxter
You're welcome. :mrgreen:
Registered members can see the user agent of the browser you're posting with.
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.0.19) Gecko/2010040119 Ubuntu/8.04 (hardy) Firefox/3.0.19
We could tell it was you, but thanks anyhow for making sure.

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 9:51 am
by notregistered
@ Alan Baxter
I'm not registered.
I can read UA strings on all posts in all these forums.
hth

Re: Love/Hate - Endless Compatibility Problems

Posted: Mon May 03, 2010 1:25 pm
by Alan Baxter
Thanks. I was thinking of the MozillaZine forums. I'm glad everyone can see it here.