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New UI - what can be done?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:16 am
by paulgear
Hi everyone,

I'm a long-term NS user and a regular monthly financial supporter. I'm employed by a Linux company, so I know what it's like working on Free Software, and I know the whole plugin developer community has been massively inconvenienced by the Firefox API change. I don't want to be ungrateful for the pain NoScript has saved me over the years, but the new UI is terrible - to the point of being unusable.

When my wife's machine got FF57 due to an automatic Ubuntu upgrade, we did without NS for a week until the new version was out, and installed the new plugin as soon as it was available. Within 10 minutes we decided to roll back to FF56 + the old NS (and leave the upgrade blocked on my machine). I'm totally prepared to admit I didn't give NS10 much of a chance, but historically it has been so simple to understand and make it work the way I wanted, and now it is a chore to understand what is going on.

It seems to me I have a few options:
1. Roll back to FF52 ESR, stick with that for as long as possible, and hope something changes on the NS front - will something change, or are the NS developers fully committed to the new UI?
2. Upgrade and suck it up - is there a point at which the light goes on and the UI begins to make sense? Do I just need to give it more time?
3. Use FF57+ without NS - not something I would do lightly; I'm still using FF56 + NS because I believe that's safer than not having a viable NS
4. Switch to another similar plugin - what are my options?

I'm really sad to be asking these questions, but I thought it was important to let you know that NS is not working for me in its current state.

Thanks in advance,
Paul

Re: New UI - what can be done?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:26 am
by Pansa
but historically it has been so simple to understand
I hear that a lot, but I don't think it was ever true.
NS was always a tool that was not friendly to people "just clicking things".
And just because it used the core menu based approach didn't mean serious learning about what does what and how things actually worked wasn't part of the equation.

Yes, the new UI takes getting used to. But once you get over the "the menus are gone, now it looks like a weird webpage", a lot of the core "things you click on a regular basis" functions are there, or even more fine-grained than before.
ANd the BIG chunks that are missing are actually still missing from Mozillas side altogether.

To be fair, I wasn't using it day 1 of it's initial release, but even years after that getting into it was NOT easy. And if you claim that it was, rather than comparing ages of learning by doing with just hours of being unfamiliar....

Re: New UI - what can be done?

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 1:13 am
by barbaz
paulgear wrote:1. Roll back to FF52 ESR, stick with that for as long as possible, and hope something changes on the NS front - will something change, or are the NS developers fully committed to the new UI?
This is what I would recommend. NoScript 10 is still in early stages. What you see is far from the finished product.

If you have some concrete suggestions for the new UI, feel free to raise them.

EDIT
Sorry, almost forgot to mention. Before going back to 52 ESR, you'll want to read the following post and all the links in it - https://forums.informaction.com/viewtop ... 841#p91841