Is noscript virus..?

[user0815]

You're punishing yourself, not Giorgio, regardless of whether he is "right" or "wrong". Good luck running around the Net without proper screening of executable content -- perhaps you will use IE too? G/L.

Hello Tom,
I think your comment is very impolite and inappropriate in this situation. Instead of trying to "repair" the damage and rebuild the faith of users, you try to put them into the situation as if there would be no alternative to surf the internet safely without noscript. I am a very unexperienced user, but i can tell you at least one alternative to run another browser with built-in feature doing the same what noscript can do.

[Tom T.]

You're punishing yourself, not Giorgio, regardless of whether he is "right" or "wrong". Good luck running around the Net without proper screening of executable content -- perhaps you will use IE too? G/L.

Hello Tom,
I think your comment is very impolite and inappropriate in this situation. Instead of trying to "repair" the damage and rebuild the faith of users, you try to put them into the situation as if there would be no alternative to surf the internet safely without noscript. I am a very unexperienced user, but i can tell you at least one alternative to run another browser with built-in feature doing the same what noscript can do.

Hello user0815,
I think *everyone's* temperatures were raised over the past 24 hours. I apologize for my sarcasm.
I would very much like to know of that browser with the built-in feature that can do everything that NoScript can do. What is it?

[Zironic]

Hello user0815,
I think *everyone's* temperatures were raised over the past 24 hours. I apologize for my sarcasm.
I would very much like to know of that browser with the built-in feature that can do everything that NoScript can do. What is it?

If I remember correctly doesn't Opera do something similar?

[user0815]

Hello user0815,
I think *everyone's* temperatures were raised over the past 24 hours. I apologize for my sarcasm.
I would very much like to know of that browser with the built-in feature that can do everything that NoScript can do. What is it?

Hi Tom,
I didn´t mean to criticize anybody. I think, in this situation, as you said, temperatures were raised, we should try to calm down and think, what is the best way to proceed. I was a convinced noscript user, but now i am a little confused and upset. But let´s see it in positive way, so many people are upset and yelling out their worries because noscript is popular and people have trusted it. If it would not be popular nobody would care about it.

Concerning the alternative browser, Zitronic is right. I just didn´t want to mention the name of opera in this forum. If you like to know more, please look at http://my.opera.com/community/forums/to ... ?id=188663
Right now, I am thinking to switch to opera, but it has just a little to do with the noscript issue. My thought is, the more popular the browser is, the more exploits for this browser are available on the net. And firefox has become very popular during the last years. If I could have the same function like noscript already built-in in opera, then why not give it a try. I have no idea if it is going to be as convenient and safe as firefox with noscript.

Cheers

[Tom T.]

Hello user0815,
I think *everyone's* temperatures were raised over the past 24 hours. I apologize for my sarcasm.
I would very much like to know of that browser with the built-in feature that can do everything that NoScript can do. What is it?

Hi Tom,
I didn´t mean to criticize anybody. I think, in this situation, as you said, temperatures were raised, we should try to calm down and think, what is the best way to proceed. I was a convinced noscript user, but now i am a little confused and upset. But let´s see it in positive way, so many people are upset and yelling out their worries because noscript is popular and people have trusted it. If it would not be popular nobody would care about it.

Concerning the alternative browser, Zitronic is right. I just didn´t want to mention the name of opera in this forum. If you like to know more, please look at http://my.opera.com/community/forums/to ... ?id=188663
Right now, I am thinking to switch to opera, but it has just a little to do with the noscript issue. My thought is, the more popular the browser is, the more exploits for this browser are available on the net. And firefox has become very popular during the last years. If I could have the same function like noscript already built-in in opera, then why not give it a try. I have no idea if it is going to be as convenient and safe as firefox with noscript.

Cheers

Hi 0815,
Thank you for your kind words.
You are right that bigger targets are more popular: Most viruses etc. are written for Windows, because 90% of the global market is Windows. Some people believe that if it were reversed -- if Mac had 90% of the market, they would be targeted the same way. I don't know.

I personally believe that IE is still a bigger target because of various policy decisions by Microsoft, specifically, its tight integration with the operating system. *All* other browsers run as third-party apps above the OS. Also, Firefox does not inherently support ActiveX, which has been a source of many exploits for IE and Windows.

Firefox itself issues security updates as soon as problems are reported and a patch is available (not the second Tuesday of each month, like MS). The open-source code model means that thousands of eyes are examining Fx source code for errors, which make their discovery and patching faster.

I don't know a lot about Opera, but when I looked at it briefly, I did not see the same kind of individual control of scripts and plug-ins that NoScript offers, and AFAIK, the ClearClick protection against clickjack attacks is unique to NS, along with several other features.

I'd like to go there now and take a closer look at Opera's latest build (and I don't mind you mentioning it here), but I've been up all night trying to respond to posts, and it's daylight now in the US. Perhaps another time.

Please check all of the Opera safety features very carefully against *all* of NS (Advanced - HTTPS forcing and secure cookies, etc.), then make your decision. Feel free to share what you find if you like.
Thanks for your input.

[Labbatt]

You have to think about the paranoid nature of your core userbase when making decisions.

Noscript users are easily startled, but they'll soon be back, and in greater numbers.

[GµårÐïåñ]

Fine. Heres something constructive :

§ 1030. Fraud and related activity in connection with computers
(5)(A)(i) knowingly causes the transmission of a program, information, code, or command, and as a result of such conduct, intentionally causes damage without authorization, to a protected computer;

(g) Any person who suffers damage or loss by reason of a violation of this section may maintain a civil action against the violator to obtain compensatory damages and injunctive relief or other equitable relief. A civil action for a violation of this section may be brought only if the conduct involves 1 of the factors set forth in clause (i), (ii), (iii), (iv), or (v) of subsection (a)(5)(B). Damages for a violation involving only conduct described in subsection (a)(5)(B)(i) are limited to economic damages. No action may be brought under this subsection unless such action is begun within 2 years of the date of the act complained of or the date of the discovery of the damage. No action may be brought under this subsection for the negligent design or manufacture of computer hardware, computer software, or firmware.

The noscript author created malware and intentionally damaged my machine. Now will you be paying the $5000 fine or will the author of noscript ?

Copy and pasting something that you don't understand is not constructive. Take it from someone with an ACTUAL legal expertise, you are full of shit and none of this applies. Troll away please.

You're punishing yourself, not Giorgio, regardless of whether he is "right" or "wrong". Good luck running around the Net without proper screening of executable content -- perhaps you will use IE too? G/L.

Hello Tom,
I think your comment is very impolite and inappropriate in this situation. Instead of trying to "repair" the damage and rebuild the faith of users, you try to put them into the situation as if there would be no alternative to surf the internet safely without noscript. I am a very unexperienced user, but i can tell you at least one alternative to run another browser with built-in feature doing the same what noscript can do.

Everything that can be done has been done but that's not what anyone wants. It has been shown that this is nothing more than a smear campaign as it is ABP people who keep fanning the flame, making accusations, posting lies all over the place and trying to create a mountain out of a mole hill. All in an effort to probably poach the code for NS and release it under their own brand like they did with Adblock since they keep mentioning forking it, let's call it what it is people. What Tom said was fact and although sarcastic, it was pretty damn insightful.

[Johnny f*g know it all]

I was very pleased to read some of Giorgio's latest posts in which he was apologetic. It reminded me not to think in black and white. He made a big mistake and he knows it, but I am sure he is a good person at heart, otherwise he wouldn't have dedicated so much time to the community all these years.

However GµårÐïåñ, for someone who is a moderator you're pretty inflammatory yourself. Including throwing around wild baseless accusations at the other party. Giorgio was at fault here, he has admitted that which is the first step he needs to take to regain trust. Don't make it more difficult for him by fanning the flames, instead you should be helping him get his message and apology across - if this means you have to say sorry to every disgruntled user on this forum so be it, that would the best thing you can do to help Giorgio at this time.

[GµårÐïåñ]

I have done everything I can to remain neutral and even keel but I am only human and the fact is that I don't agree with everything and although Giorgio may concede for the sake of resting this matter, he is doing it because he is being forced not because he should. I am not fanning anything other than to provide at least an occasional voice to the opposite of the barrage of unfair and despicable things said here. We have continually turned the other cheek but there is a limit before it becomes eye for an eye. As far as anything I have done besides being a faithful observer, I apologize but not for being true to the situation and fairing on a balance fault and resolution. Enough said. I wanted to end this by locking the thread and letting everyone just call peace, but I was told by Giorgio to leave them open and let people say what they want. I accepted out of respect and have not interfered but I am entitled to insert my position on the matter as it applies to me, a faithful NoScript and Adblock Plus user who is caught in the middle feeling both sides are at fault.

[Johnny f*g know it all]

he is doing it because he is being forced not because he should.

I sure hope you're wrong about that, and that his admission and apology are sincere.

Giorgio is right about keeping the threads open, people do need to vent, it makes them feel better. You might hear some ugly things said, but believe me that's a decision that he'll get credit for.

[GµårÐïåñ]

I have no doubt they are sincere. But a someone with a degree and love of philosophy, I have to wonder sincere from what perspective? Everyone looks through a different lens at the world. Either way I am certain that it IS indeed sincere.

I had nothing against the venting and I was all for it and watched it happen for a very long time and rarely said anything. But ultimately ugliness begets ugliness and the more foul is vented, the more foul is received, I felt that maybe stopping that would calm everyone, but instead of opening another thread in objection and continuing it, they decided to spite him and hurt him with bad reviews on AMO, is that ethical you think?

[Guest]

I wanted to end this by locking the thread and letting everyone just call peace, but I was told by Giorgio to leave them open and let people say what they want. I accepted out of respect and have not interfered but I am entitled to insert my position on the matter as it applies to me, a faithful NoScript and Adblock Plus user who is caught in the middle feeling both sides are at fault.

interesting. locking the thread would be a stupid response for obvious reasons. see Streisand effect. i dont expect you to comprehend this post, however...
he is certainly not stupid in the PR department and might survive this after all..... any other bullsh*t moves and noscript is done, but hopefully he will not do anything like this ever again. anon is watching.

[Guest]

I have no doubt they are sincere. But a someone with a degree and love of philosophy, I have to wonder sincere from what perspective? Everyone looks through a different lens at the world. Either way I am certain that it IS indeed sincere.

It's because of this part:

... he is doing it because he is being forced not because he should.

it's prone to confusion, it seems like you're saying that he's apology wasn't sincere.

... but instead of opening another thread in objection and continuing it, they decided to spite him and hurt him with bad reviews on AMO, is that ethical you think?

In my opinion 1.9.2.3 really deserves 1/5 stars, 3 for 1.9.2.4, 4 for 1.9.2.5 and 1.9.2.6 back to it's normal 5 star rating if you, like me think that it deserved 5 before all of this happened. The problem is not the rating, it's the amount of ratings, because almost everyone pays more attention to bad things and take good things for granted, not because someone ordered them to do so.

What will happen is that it will take time to get back to 5 stars rating and to regain trust from offended users, but it's normal when someone makes a huge mistake, that it will take time and/or effort to make up for.

You're punishing yourself, not Giorgio, regardless of whether he is "right" or "wrong". Good luck running around the Net without proper screening of executable content --

maybe he's using *$Script filter with ABP.

-- perhaps you will use IE too? G/L.

This is unnecessary, I could say the same to you about Windows with malware and virus.

[GµårÐïåñ]

My apologies for not being clear. His apology is sincere because he is doing it for whatever reason that feels right to him. As I stated, perhaps not too clearly was that its all a matter of perspective and for ME it feels that if he wasn't vilified and forced, it would not be necessary or needed. My views are hardly a reflection of his actions, just my observation among the plethora of comments made by just about everyone. Hope that's made more clear, as mud at least

[Guest]

interesting. locking the thread would be a stupid response for obvious reasons. see Streisand effect. i dont expect you to comprehend this post, however...
he is certainly not stupid in the PR department and might survive this after all..... any other bullsh*t moves and noscript is done, but hopefully he will not do anything like this ever again. anon is watching.

I can assure you I'm pretty embarrassed to be grouped with people like you.