Where is the large format?

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Where is the large format?

Post by wheresthelargeformat » Sun Mar 26, 2017 7:05 am

As the topic and my user name say, where is the large format in the dropdown menu? I mean, why is there an option for small, medium, and HD format of the video, but not for the large one? Though I can find it in the DASH (separate audio and video tracks) submenu, that doesn't help much.

C'mon! Don't you like the large one too? It can make videos look better, and doesn't have fancy uppercase alphanumeric name like HD720 or 4K.
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Re: Where is the large format?

Post by therube » Sun Mar 26, 2017 10:41 am

URLs?
Are there in fact "large" format?
If it is in fact in Dash, what is wrong with that?
If it is in Dash, does that mean that there is necessarily a corresponding non-Dash variety of the same clip?

Better?
You've actually compared "large" against "medium" can are able to see a meaningful difference?

I suspect whatever is picked up as "default" is based on what is actually playing at a particular time?
So maybe it needs to be asked why that particular site is only serving you "medium" or "small" rather then "large".
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Re: Where is the large format?

Post by wheresthelargeformat » Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:32 am

I downloaded all the videos of Top chess players (Carlsen, Nakamura...) made terrible touch-move mistakes (part 1) presented in the "Available formats" submenu and the result is this:
- small format has two .3GP files with videos of 144 and 180 pixels respectively
- medium has .WEBM and .MP4 files of 360 pixels
- HD has a .MP4 file of 720 pixels

The large version of the video, which can be found only in the DASH submenu, is 480 pixels high, but doesn't have the sound embedded. So, as I said before, that doesn't help much.

This result makes me think that FlashGot skips the 480 format, which is available for sure in the YouTube player if the HD format is available. Also, some movies are available in 1080, 1440 or 2160 (4K), and these formats aren't available in the "Available formats" submenu. Like "Star Wars vs Raffael ★ Classic Online Chess Blitz Matchups ★ November 10 2004" (its link, for some reason, triggers an antispam filter. Here it is watch?v=3 N F 2 R N M p n X M without spaces)

Now to answer your "questions":
Are there in fact "large" format?
Yep!
If it is in fact in Dash, what is wrong with that?
As the name of the submenu says, those are separated links for video and audio portion of the movie.
If it is in Dash, does that mean that there is necessarily a corresponding non-Dash variety of the same clip?
Now you are being naughty. That is a question I should get an answer for, not vice-versa. But what do ya think?
Better?
You've actually compared "large" against "medium" can are able to see a meaningful difference?
Medium has a height of 360 pixels, large has a height of 480 pixels (at least in the YouTube system of reference).
I suspect whatever is picked up as "default" is based on what is actually playing at a particular time?
Doesn't matter, because those three formats are available all the time, regardless of the default quality or the quality of the movie currently playing.
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Re: Where is the large format?

Post by barbaz » Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:47 pm

wheresthelargeformat wrote:Now to answer your "questions":
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If it is in Dash, does that mean that there is necessarily a corresponding non-Dash variety of the same clip?
Now you are being naughty.
Seriously? How could the guy possibly know the answer when you hadn't yet linked the site in question?

You're not seeing what you want because it doesn't exist. Youtube simply does not offer that resolution without DASH.

We Mods are just volunteers who cannot do anything to change that. Lose the attitude now.
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Re: Where is the large format?

Post by wheresthelargeformat » Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:52 pm

@barbaz
Seriously? How could the guy possibly know the answer when you hadn't yet linked the site in question?
If he doesn't know the answer then why is he answering? Srsly!
We Mods are just volunteers who cannot do anything to change that.
I really don't care. Wait! What? We Mods!? Sorry to ruin your net immortality, but you are only common nouns.
Lose the attitude now.
Do you mean "Lose the attitude now!"? BTW, what attitude? That "Mod" quoted me ("large") implying that I didn't know what I was asking for, so the attitude is his.
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Re: Where is the large format?

Post by barbaz » Tue Mar 28, 2017 9:40 pm

wheresthelargeformat wrote:BTW, what attitude?
This attitude -
wheresthelargeformat wrote:C'mon! Don't you like the large one too? It can make videos look better, and doesn't have fancy uppercase alphanumeric name like HD720 or 4K.
wheresthelargeformat wrote:your "questions":
wheresthelargeformat wrote: Now you are being naughty. That is a question I should get an answer for, not vice-versa.
wheresthelargeformat wrote:If he doesn't know the answer then why is he answering? Srsly!
wheresthelargeformat wrote: I really don't care. Wait! What? We Mods!? Sorry to ruin your net immortality, but you are only common nouns.
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wheresthelargeformat wrote:If he doesn't know the answer then why is he answering?
To say what more information is needed to figure out the answer. It's pretty routine to do that. No one can be expected to necessarily know, from the very start, what all details are and will be needed.
wheresthelargeformat wrote:Do you mean "Lose the attitude now!"?
No. Unlike some people, I don't need exclamation marks to make myself clear.
wheresthelargeformat wrote:That "Mod" quoted me ("large") implying
... nothing. That's just how he writes.

I think you will find that taking every little thing personally is not a good idea on this forum. ;)
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Re: Where is the large format?

Post by therube » Wed Mar 29, 2017 12:54 am

youtube-dl.exe (-s -F https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=san885R70kU) says:

Code: Select all

[info] Available formats for san885R70kU:

format code  extension  resolution note
18           mp4        640x360    medium , avc1.42001E,  mp4a.40.2@ 96k
22           mp4        1280x720   hd720 , avc1.64001F,  mp4a.40.2@192k (best)

43           webm       640x360    medium , vp8.0,  vorbis@128k

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17           3gp        176x144    small , mp4v.20.3,  mp4a.40.2@ 24k
36           3gp        320x180    small , mp4v.20.3,  mp4a.40.2

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140          m4a        audio only DASH audio  127k , m4a_dash container, mp4a.40.2@128k (44100Hz), 6.10MiB

171          webm       audio only DASH audio  128k , vorbis@128k, 4.53MiB
249          webm       audio only DASH audio   52k , opus @ 50k, 2.35MiB
250          webm       audio only DASH audio   71k , opus @ 70k, 2.88MiB
251          webm       audio only DASH audio  141k , opus @160k, 5.36MiB

278          webm       256x144    144p  126k , webm container, vp9, 30fps, video only, 4.56MiB
242          webm       426x240    240p  281k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 7.68MiB
243          webm       640x360    360p  513k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 13.84MiB
244          webm       854x480    480p  928k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 24.05MiB
247          webm       1280x720   720p 1820k , vp9, 30fps, video only, 48.94MiB

160          mp4        256x144    DASH video  112k , avc1.4d400c, 30fps, video only, 5.19MiB
133          mp4        426x240    DASH video  247k , avc1.4d4015, 30fps, video only, 11.47MiB
134          mp4        640x360    DASH video  633k , avc1.4d401e, 30fps, video only, 13.45MiB
135          mp4        854x480    DASH video 1158k , avc1.4d401f, 30fps, video only, 27.06MiB
136          mp4        1280x720   DASH video 2314k , avc1.4d401f, 30fps, video only, 51.65MiB
So, if I'm reading correctly...


3gp, you don't want that period. (Well, maybe for special situations...)


Non-Dash:
-mp4, you can get medium or hd720
-webm, you can get medium (which is VP8 rather then a preferred VP9)

So, I'm not seeing a non-Dash "Large" at all.
Medium in both mp4 & webm.
hd720 only in mp4.


Dash:
Dash certainly gives you more options, in both & corresponding mp4/webm formats.


Formats offered on particular clips can change.
Can change over time.
Quality too can change, over time.
Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worse.
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Re: Where is the large format?

Post by therube » Wed Mar 29, 2017 1:01 am

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