ogg player ui briefly appears, before being placeholdered

[al_9x]

http://aminutewith.s3.amazonaws.com/amwb-20101122.ogg

When the source domain is not allowed, the player ui does not seem to show, before it's replaced by a placeholder. Incidentally, the placeholder height is too small.

When the domain is allowed, you briefly see the player ui load (refresh several times to see it better), before it's replaced by a placeholder. Now the placeholder height is ok.

Normally when a plugin is really blocked, you don't see any of its ui.

[Giorgio Maone]

This is not a plugin, though, therefore only the stream loading can/should be controlled.
And the UI being implemented in XBL/JavaScript explains the other discrepancies.

[al_9x]

What about the placeholder height? I am seeing height problems frequently.

[Giorgio Maone]

What about the placeholder height? I am seeing height problems frequently.

It usually means that the final height of the object would be computed by the browser using the final layout of the page, but the replacement happens too early, when the layout is not completed and the final height has not been computed yet.

[al_9x]

Is not the point of min size to prevent excessively small placeholders, regardless of the cause? Why is minheight not respected for this doc level object? Also in many other cases.