guillotrined wrote:Pansa wrote:This is to me, the biggest part of why it seems convoluted. Not paying attention to what is on the screen.
Like you posed a question that I specifically already responded to directly after the part you quoted. It IS a bit frustrating, and you can't proof an interface against that.
I hate to debase myself by arguing against passive aggressive snide comments, so I'll refrain and state only that you actually didn't answer my point at all. You just made an excuse for it.
I feel like I did in the part I quoted, and I also feel like that question directly contradicts the other stance about users not caring for all those complicated features, which made NS5 more intuitive.
To me it is a bit either or. The features that "just users" were using are there (what I would call core functionality) and some extensive additional features that were unintuitive are back too, and some are missing from the API, thus can't be implemented.
You're missing the point again. For most people, for the majority of users of NoScript, the "fine grain control" that you're describing was meaningless. They appreciated the fact that it worked, that it was simple and that it did what it was supposed to on a very user friendly UI. That's all. Feel free to talk all day about the wonders of nuances but you will be preaching to the small minority who would take advantage of it.
but in the current version these core functionalities are back in an equally "intuitive" way, unless you define "intuitive" as "exactly the same way".
You click on trusted, for an entry that people think they might need, and on the clock if they want it permanent.
Core functionality restored. The buttons have mouse-over. That is what I meant with compact.
You're complaining that people are complaining? When people complain, there's often a reason why. As I stated when I began this thread, the only reason I even bothered to sign up was to express my frustrations in hopes that it may join the chorus of others and be listened to as feedback. Are you suggesting that if feedback is not what someone wants to hear then it shouldn't be heard at all? We should all accept whatever is thrown our way with smiles? The entire point of providing negative feedback is not to wound the recipient, but to encourage them to acknowledge the issues with their creation.
No, I am complaining about HOW some people complain, and what the specific complaints imply about the level of observation. To the point that the term "intuitive" loses it's meaning, when people actually sometimes seem to have neither intuition, nor want to pay attention to the screen at all, and just want to shout "this is different, how am I ever going to cope".
I am suggesting that if help has to take the form of writing "press default for default and trusted for trusted" that something is problematic on the user side.
What I was trying to point out is that some complaints of "lacking intuitiveness" can boil down to "I never really read what I clicked, but it worked. Now that is gone, and I don't want to look, so it is bad"
Which is not really feedback that one can work with. Combine that with the "state" from which some people complain is one of seriously shot settings (some due to unobservant clicking without undoing an some
completely complain worthy due to bugs), a complaint about the addon and design rather than asking what is wrong in the first place is also losing value.
Included but not limited to about 25 separate threads in 36 hours about 10.1.3 resetting maximising a FF window when you click the icon.
I am not saying "scan the first 30 forum pages" or search excessively. But if the collection thread is in the top 3 of the posts, maybe finding it is not TOO much to ask before opening a new thread?
Yes , valid negative feedback is a boon to adjusting anything. I am merely reacting to you pointing at the number of feedbacks, and pointing out the quality of some of it. Some of it is caused by pure knee-jerking to change, and the form that takes is showing it.
Pansa wrote:The new one is immensely compact. which forces a lot of interaction with the concepts on people who ever clicked "allow all on this page" (which was basically the first flooded demand when 10.1.1 hit), but the new interface is actually pretty good in compressing choices that were scattered in ns5. Although I will agree that the newer "app" look over the cleaner boring grey +text is not my favourite either.
I am patient and will wait for NoScript to smooth out its problems. In the meantime, I'm still using NoScript, just an earlier version. Clearly I love NoScript or I wouldn't have bothered to post on this forum.[/quote]
And again, I am not trying to attack you in person, or discard everything you say by being contrarian. The part I was a bit snide about was just a perfect example of just skipping over the part that specifically addressed the thing that came back as a question. Which is kind of frustrating for the guy answering.
edit: to cut all that shorter. There is trying to understand and failing, and there is looking at it an complaining. (not specifically targeted at you)