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Gov't roles in invading privacy; motives for wars

Post by Tom T. » Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:30 am

Split as O/T from Comments on sites handled by Face Book. Y or N? -- Tom T.

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... and since you threw in the "Brave New World" reference, I'll refer to then-required reading, "1984", which scared the **** out of me.

And it's coming true. But the irony is that to a large degree, we're doing it to ourselves voluntarily. Although Big Brother continues to grow too, always under the aegis of "patriotism" (USA PATRIOT Act), "stopping kidporn", "anti-terrorism", etc. And if you disagree, you must be a criminal, traitor, or terrorist. :evil:

"Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel." -- Samuel Johnson, 7 April 1775.

p.s.: [soapbox] The modern-day equivalent of Soma for students is amphetamines like Adderall. It's highly illegal to traffic in these, or in methamphetamine, to the point that the long-established OTC allergy med, pseudoephedrine, is banned or controlled in some jurisdictions, and the FDA has pretty much killed the natural herb, ephedra. But amphetamines are routinely prescribed to those of age 6, who may be nothing more than simply bored with a mediocre public school system. What will someone be like at 21 after fifteen years of daily amphetamine usage -- aside from "hooked", stunted growth, etc. ? [/soapbax]
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Post by GµårÐïåñ » Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:56 am

Self fulfilling prophecy maybe? :mrgreen:
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Post by Tom T. » Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:51 am

GµårÐïåñ wrote:Self fulfilling prophecy maybe? :mrgreen:

I know you're joking, but I think George Orwell accurately assessed the general trend, and carried it to its logical conclusion. He was trying to give a "wake-up call", but most didn't read or heed. So it wasn't self-fulfilling, just predictive.

It's too bad that neither he nor the ardently anti-Communist Ayn Rand, whose family escaped from Russia during the Bolshevik Revolution, lived to see the downfall of the Soviet Union.
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Post by GµårÐïåñ » Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:15 am

Yeap, its 2012, let's hurry up and end it :mrgreen:
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Post by mastorer » Mon Mar 05, 2012 12:59 am

Well, Guardian, you may get your wish. It looks like they're planning a war for us all. Always the American thing to do when the economy's bad.
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Post by Tom T. » Mon Mar 05, 2012 1:54 am

mastorer wrote:It looks like they're planning a war for us all. Always the American thing to do when the economy's bad.

O/T: Image Hey, it worked for FDR. We'd still be in the Great Depression if he hadn't ignored the intel reports and allowed the bombing of Pearl Harbor, thus ending any anti-war sentiment in the US (per certain conspiracy theories -- we'll never know for sure, I suppose).Image

The economy was starting to recover on its own when he took office, but all of his "fixing" made it worse. (Sound familiar?) Only the gearing up to a wartime economy ended the depression.
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Post by GµårÐïåñ » Mon Mar 05, 2012 9:37 am

Its not my wish but it seems that humanity is hell bent on destroying itself and feeding the Military Industrial Complex, have to say I was a cog in the machine myself at some point and believe there is good to be done, but its getting hard to tell pure motives apart from greed nowadays.
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Post by Tom T. » Tue Mar 06, 2012 4:15 am

GµårÐïåñ wrote:Its not my wish but it seems that humanity is hell bent on destroying itself and feeding the Military Industrial Complex, have to say I was a cog in the machine myself at some point and believe there is good to be done, but its getting hard to tell pure motives apart from greed nowadays.

Then-President Eisenhower intended to say, "Military-Industrial-Government Complex", acknowledging the self-serving role of Gov in starting these conflicts, but his speechwriters and handlers warned him not to implicate the Gov of which he himself was the head.

Splitting to Ragnarök, as this is now completely O/T to the entire forum's themes of security and IT.
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