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mozillaZine shutting down?

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 1:06 am
by barbaz
http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewtopic ... &t=3055133 :(

Too bad, that forum was a great place to get help with Mozilla-related stuff, and their KB was extremely useful.

I and others here have linked people to mozillaZine's KB and forums quite a lot. What will we use instead?

Re: mozillaZine shutting down?

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 am
by therube
Don't you see.
It's all part of Mozilla's grand plan.

Make the browser irrelevant.
Make the community irrelevant.
Make the user irrelevant.

mozillaZine was not a great place, it was the only place conducive to real discussion, Mozilla.

Re: mozillaZine shutting down?

Posted: Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:16 pm
by musonius
therube wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:16 am
It's all part of Mozilla's grand plan.
A quote from mozillaZine:
mozillaZine is an independent Mozilla community and advocacy site. We're not affiliated or endorsed by the Mozilla Corporation but we love them just the same.

Re: mozillaZine shutting down?

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:39 am
by therube
Yes, I'm well aware of who mozillaZine is.
But that's not the point.
The point is, that when Mozilla kills itself, it also kills everything related to itself.
So itself, community (including mozillaZine, extension developers, ...), & users.
(And yes, I'm also well aware that the demise of mozillaZine cannot be directly related to any action Mozilla has taken & may not be related at all to anything outside of itself, but... like FF, like NoScript, like Mozilla users, all have seen precipitous declines in usage ever since "speed" rules all, er, Quantum.)

Re: mozillaZine shutting down?

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:25 pm
by gorhill
therube wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:39 am
precipitous declines in usage ever since "speed" rules all, er, Quantum.)
Quantum is what is saving Firefox -- clinging to legacy code forever is a sure way to obsolescence. There is no "precipitous decline" seen in actual data specifically attributable to Quantum.

Consider https://imgur.com/a/atrSa4o, walking back from now:

Summarizing by 2 year chunks:
2017Q3 - 2019Q3: -4.17%
2015Q3 - 2017Q3: -4.11%
2013Q3 - 2015Q3: -2.53%
2011Q3 - 2015Q3: -7.06%
2009Q3 - 2011Q3: -3.63%

We can also summarize further by 4 years chunks:
2015Q3 - 2019Q3: -8.28%
2011Q3 - 2015Q3: -9.59%

There is nothing peculiar regarding the loss of market share since 2017Q3 compared to other periods, so blaming the modernization of Firefox's code base for loss of market share does not hold scrutiny, it's just wishful thinking really.

The modernization of the code base is investment in order to reverse the trend in the long term. There were people warning Mozilla back in 2011 that not supporting multiprocess ASAP (work on e10 was put on hold in 2011) was going to impact negatively market share of Firefox -- they have a better case to say they were right than those who specifically blame Quantum for market share loss.

Re: mozillaZine shutting down?

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:10 pm
by barbaz
gorhill wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:25 pm
Consider https://imgur.com/a/atrSa4o, walking back from now:

Summarizing by 2 year chunks:
2017Q3 - 2019Q3: -4.17%
2015Q3 - 2017Q3: -4.11%
2013Q3 - 2015Q3: -2.53%
2011Q3 - 2015Q3: -7.06%
2009Q3 - 2011Q3: -3.63%

We can also summarize further by 4 years chunks:
2015Q3 - 2019Q3: -8.28%
2011Q3 - 2015Q3: -9.59%
Aside the fact that market share of Firefox is off-topic, I don't understand those numbers - https://xkcd.com/985/

Re: mozillaZine shutting down?

Posted: Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:03 pm
by gorhill
barbaz wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 5:10 pm
I don't understand those numbers - https://xkcd.com/985/
What I posted has nothing to do with that xkcd strip -- I didn't compute percents of percents, the figures just show the delta of market share between at two points in time (I provided the graph from statcounter so you can see my refutation of off-topic "precipitous declines in usage ever since 'speed' rules all, er, Quantum" is based on objective data, not opinion).

Re: mozillaZine shutting down?

Posted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:06 am
by barbaz
gorhill wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:03 pm
I didn't compute percents of percents, the figures just show the delta of market share between at two points in time (I provided the graph from statcounter
Thanks, that's the clarification I needed.