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Re: Odd development on Youtube

by barbaz » Tue Mar 07, 2017 8:49 pm

Marc_W, if you do try a more recent Firefox, could you please also try NoScript latest development build 5.0.1rc1?

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by barbaz » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:55 am

Marc_W wrote:The desktop runs a pentium 4 chip I think,
According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4, that desktop supports SSE2. It should be capable of running the latest version of Firefox.

I suggest you give the latest Firefox a try, as follows:

1) Completely quit Firefox, then copy C:\Documents and Settings\<you>\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\ to an external disk.

2) Eject the external disk.

3) Download the latest version of Firefox. Don't install it yet.

4) Into Windows Control Panel > Add or remove programs, and uninstall your existing Firefox. Make sure you select to KEEP your personal data.

5) Once that's done, install the Firefox you downloaded in (3).


Can't make the latest Firefox work for you? Here's how to revert back to version 28 -

1) Windows Control Panel > Add or remove programs. Uninstall Firefox.

2) Reinstall Firefox 28 from your installer. If you don't have the installer, get one from https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/28.0/

3) Delete the folder C:\Documents and Settings\<you>\Application Data\Mozilla\Firefox\, if it exists. Then copy in the backup you made.

4) Start Firefox and double check that it's working.

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by Marc_W » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:35 am

barbaz wrote:
Marc_W wrote:my older machine, which due to it's age and OS I believe is only capable of running 28?
I wouldn't be so sure. Since Firefox 28 was the last version before Australis happened, you might prefer to stick with 28. But let's be clear about what your machine is capable of.

Firefox 12 was the most recent release to drop support for any Windows versions. And the remaining Windows XP support, i.e. what's in Firefox 28, won't be dropped until Firefox 53. So it's not a question of the OS.

If your machine is so old that your CPU doesn't support SSE2, you can use Firefox 45 ESR. Or, if you don't care about the latest Firefox security updates, Firefox 48.0.2. Current versions of NoScript still support both of those Firefox versions.
Marc_W wrote:Will it just not update anymore or will it stop working altogether?
It just stop updating. What you have will continue to work. This stuff is Free Software, you are free to continue using whatever version you like for as long as you like.

Hmm. The thing is, I'm not sure my desktop machine can still run anything past 28, which is why I kept with it. My laptop runs modern stuff, so no problems there. The desktop runs a pentium 4 chip I think, and I don't know if later versions of firefox run on that, never mind the older OS. Any suggestions?

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by barbaz » Tue Mar 07, 2017 12:22 am

Marc_W wrote:my older machine, which due to it's age and OS I believe is only capable of running 28?
I wouldn't be so sure. Since Firefox 28 was the last version before Australis happened, you might prefer to stick with 28. But let's be clear about what your machine is capable of.

Firefox 12 was the most recent release to drop support for any Windows versions. And the remaining Windows XP support, i.e. what's in Firefox 28, won't be dropped until Firefox 53. So it's not a question of the OS.

If your machine is so old that your CPU doesn't support SSE2, you can use Firefox 45 ESR. Or, if you don't care about the latest Firefox security updates, Firefox 48.0.2. Current versions of NoScript still support both of those Firefox versions.
Marc_W wrote:Will it just not update anymore or will it stop working altogether?
It just stop updating. What you have will continue to work. This stuff is Free Software, you are free to continue using whatever version you like for as long as you like.

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by Marc_W » Mon Mar 06, 2017 11:52 pm

barbaz wrote:Well, we know it's not a NoScript change, because 2.9.0.14, which was released seven months ago, is the last NoScript version compatible with Firefox 28.

So what does that mean for my older machine, which due to it's age and OS I believe is only capable of running 28? Will it just not update anymore or will it stop working altogether?

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by barbaz » Mon Mar 06, 2017 10:03 pm

@Tree: Youtube serves several different versions of the video page, seemingly at random. They have lately been switching versions more frequently.

It sounds to me like your NoScript setup works with some versions of the video page, but not others.

I'm not sure whether your issue is related to this issue or not.

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by therube » Mon Mar 06, 2017 9:09 pm

(I mentioned video [@openload, as it was] here, 5.0rc2 & Video Being Blocked, in case there's any relationship?)

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by Tree » Mon Mar 06, 2017 8:58 pm

I am not sure if this is the same issue as being discussed here but since Noscript updated to the latest 5.x version I experience some differences in order to get Youtube videos to load with my settings.

Before 5.x Noscript would block the video playing until I clicked allow on the Noscript overlay for both the audio and video codec (if that is the right word) and then it would play. Now it is very hit or miss to get the Noscript overlay to appear. Some times it immediately loads the Youtube error text in the middle of the video (which the 2 audio/video Noscript overlay would typically appear over until allowed and then the video would play). Some times it just loads a blank black image where the video is. Some times the Noscript overlay will appear as normal for the audio to click to allow but then move on to the blank black image instead of the overlay blocking the video codec in order to click to allow.

If I refresh enough eventually I can get both the audio and video click to allow overlay to appear and load the video but it used to work without any fuss before 5.x version.

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by Marc_W » Fri Mar 03, 2017 7:22 pm

barbaz wrote:Really, I don't see any googleapis.com on Youtube. Are you logged in or something?
Marc_W wrote:Plus, on the older machine I get that weird orange icon on the noscript 's' when I go to youtube on the older machine instead of the usual 'blocked' symbol I used to get for it.
That icon means there are blocked objects. Do you have different NoScript settings on the different machines?

In particular, be sure to look under NoScript Options > Embeddings.

As far as I know, I do not have any differences in the settings on the two machines. Primarily because I have never touched the settings since I have no idea how to do anything with them, so I left everything at their defaults because I didn't want to do anything to mess the thing up. And no, I was not logged into Youtube at the time I took any of these screenshots on either device.

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by Marc_W » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:59 pm

therube wrote:Appears that for googleapis.com to show up, you have to show (Appearance) Full Domains.

(Though I'm seeing www. rather then content.)


(Suppose there could be differences with older vs. current NoScript's?
I'm running 5.0rc2 on my current [XP] machine [but not on all].)

I'm not sure what that means, and it doesn't explain the sudden change since up till the week before last, none of this was an issue. And what's 5.0rc2?

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by therube » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:33 pm

Appears that for googleapis.com to show up, you have to show (Appearance) Full Domains.

(Though I'm seeing www. rather then content.)


(Suppose there could be differences with older vs. current NoScript's?
I'm running 5.0rc2 on my current [XP] machine [but not on all].)

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by Marc_W » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:15 pm

Sure. Here's the blocked items list on the old machine:


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_6YAs ... sp=sharing


I've found that this repeats itself on gmail on my old machine, while on the modern machine I have, nothing is listed as blocked at all.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_6YAs ... sp=sharing

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by barbaz » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:54 pm

Marc_W wrote:Is there anything in particular I should be looking for?
For now, if you could please post a screenshot of the Blocked Objects sub-menu, that would be great. :)

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by Marc_W » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:37 pm

I'll letcha know tomorrow, I'm on the laptop right now and that appears to be a Desktop issue as I'm not even seeing a blocked objects menu on my laptop version of the browser and I usually am only on one at a time. Is there anything in particular I should be looking for?

Re: Odd development on Youtube

by barbaz » Thu Mar 02, 2017 9:29 pm

Well, we know it's not a NoScript change, because 2.9.0.14, which was released seven months ago, is the last NoScript version compatible with Firefox 28.

In this screenshot - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B_6YAs ... sp=sharing what do you see in the Blocked Objects sub-menu, the one just below Recently blocked sites?

Regarding the Recently blocked sites menu, please see this - viewtopic.php?p=38813#p38813

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