Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow"?

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Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by therube » Sat Aug 02, 2014 3:20 pm

(is that the correct link?)

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by dhouwn » Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:56 pm

Just came across this bug report that makes clear that I was apparently wrong about the Session Restore behavior in Firefox: https://bugzil.la/show_bug.cgi?id=345345. What I wasn't wrong about is that the meaning of a "session" has changed (as can be also seen by the bug tracker comments).

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by GµårÐïåñ » Tue May 08, 2012 6:42 am

The right bracket ] in the quote on the initial opening was missing making it all bunched into a blob of text, that's what I fixed, so the quote is separated.

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by Tom T. » Mon May 07, 2012 12:59 am

One more reason for frequent browser restarts, or clearing of all cache, history, cookies, etc. :lol:

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by Tom T. » Sat May 05, 2012 2:03 am

dhouwn wrote:
Tom T. wrote:Would all of those "sessionstore" features mean that a NS Temp-Allow might *not* expire when the browser is closed?
Nope, it expires, but you might never knowwith what features they might come up in the future, but in the case of the add-on state then probably just as opt-in. Also, you have keep in mind that there are certain things that simply can't be saved and recovered like persistent connections.

The "nope" is reassuring, thanks. But the "you never know" and "probably* (opt-in) aren't so reassuring. To beat a dead horse, they don't opt you int to
geo.location enabled, and most users have no idea it's there.

So if they do save add-on state in the future, I hope they'll let us know in advance. (One more reason to vet each new version thoroughly, perhaps as a portable, before making a permanent install. ;))

Persistent connections: understood. But NS temp-permissions show in the GUI, so it certainly seems *feasible* to save them, although I hope they don't.

(What "tag" was GµårÐïåñ referring to? I don't see any tags.)

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by dhouwn » Fri May 04, 2012 3:15 pm

Tom T. wrote:Would all of those "sessionstore" features mean that a NS Temp-Allow might *not* expire when the browser is closed?
Nope, it expires, but you might never knowwith what features they might come up in the future, but in the case of the add-on state then probably just as opt-in. Also, you have keep in mind that there are certain things that simply can't be saved and recovered like persistent connections.

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by Tom T. » Fri May 04, 2012 6:04 am

@ dhouwn:

Sudden afterthought: Would all of those "sessionstore" features mean that a NS Temp-Allow might *not* expire when the browser is closed?
I've never had those settings enabled, and so wouldn't know -- and don't care to reset them all, test, etc. You seem to have a handle on what MZ is doing in those "extended sessions", so maybe you'd know the answer?

If it turns out to be true, that they extend NS temp permissions beyond the physical browser session, then perhaps Giorgio could make a work-around that ensures that TA "literally" means Temp -- that they are auto-revoked upon physically closing the browser, regardless of MZ's notions of extended sessions etc.

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by Tom T. » Fri May 04, 2012 3:17 am

dhouwn wrote:Just want to point out that even in the case of session cookies and similar things the recent trend is clearly to move away from the coherence between the lifetime of a browser application and a "session".

Fitting quotes:

More good reasons to disable session store/restore, which I've been doing for years.
Also, using a sandbox that is emptied completely at the close of each *physical* browsing session, including the portion of the profile cloned for that session.

Thanks for pointing out more ways that MZ is continually eroding our privacy, the protection of which was one reason that many of us left IE.
Our "newer is not always better" discussion comes to mind here. :D

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by dhouwn » Thu May 03, 2012 12:32 pm

Just want to point out that even in the case of session cookies and similar things the recent trend is clearly to move away from the coherence between the lifetime of a browser application and a "session".

Fitting quotes:

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by Tom T. » Thu May 03, 2012 8:14 am

Thrawn wrote:OK, I've tried setting Cookies back to 'Always Ask', and it's not as bad as I recall; will probably leave it that way. The nuisance is when you tell the dialog box to always allow cookies for a site, and then it asks you again when the site wants to modify an existing cookie, and then again once the site has set about 10 of them...especially since the cookie dialog box is modal. But I'll see how I go.

Agreed. But at my frequent sites, such as Yahoo Mail, it pretty much seems to have all of these modification permissions, too. It's only at new sites that aren't yet configged that this annoyance happens, AFAICR.

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by GµårÐïåñ » Thu May 03, 2012 7:52 am

I set my cookie acceptance to session only and dump on close, never had issues. No third party and been pretty golden and save the annoyance of being asked all the time.

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by Thrawn » Thu May 03, 2012 4:45 am

OK, I've tried setting Cookies back to 'Always Ask', and it's not as bad as I recall; will probably leave it that way. The nuisance is when you tell the dialog box to always allow cookies for a site, and then it asks you again when the site wants to modify an existing cookie, and then again once the site has set about 10 of them...especially since the cookie dialog box is modal. But I'll see how I go.

GµårÐïåñ wrote:Just because you CAN leave your computer running for a month without a reboot, doesn't mean its a good idea, you are burning the clock cycles on it, which means it will live a shorter life, you overload and corrupt your memory allocations, hard disk tables and a host of other issues, unless you are running a server, which even that requires a reboot on average with good practices once a week at most.


Leaving Firefox open for days was more in a work context, where I do actually run a local server :). But I've still been shutting everything down over the weekend. And it makes sense to close everything but save tabs daily (Ctrl+Q works well with multiple windows open). Will try to pick up my game there.

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by GµårÐïåñ » Wed May 02, 2012 8:51 pm

Tom T. wrote:My thoughts exactly, but I was too polite to say it. :D

I am at a point in my life and have dealt with so many people that I just say it like I see it. I figure being honest and sincere, however blunt, goes a lot further than blowing sunshine up people's arse and being less than sincere. Some may think its rude, but at least EVERYONE knows the mask you wear is one and what to expect from you at all times, there is no need to be pretentious, however cliche that may be.

therube wrote:Why?
Why is it OK not to reboot my computer for a month, yet I should do it regularly with my browser?

Just because you CAN leave your computer running for a month without a reboot, doesn't mean its a good idea, you are burning the clock cycles on it, which means it will live a shorter life, you overload and corrupt your memory allocations, hard disk tables and a host of other issues, unless you are running a server, which even that requires a reboot on average with good practices once a week at most. Browsers, specially like FX with horrible memory issues and so many poorly designed addons that make things worse, its a horrible idea to leave it open for more than a full day's worth, although if you are inclined to let it stay open and have all the "crap" it has accumulated remain in play, your call, have at it.

If not for daily (browser) updates, or extension updates (& we know some which are the most updated), or the need to close due to ever expanding memory usage (& it is not the memory usage itself but he deterioration of the browsing experience), I likely would not close for ... well until my computer required a reboot (like with the monthly MS security updates).

Don't look now but you just made my point for me, "expanding memory usage" which is inevitable when you leave it open for too long. Again to each their own but that's just a bad idea from all kinds of aspects, including security, efficiency and simply waste.

Again, at the end of the day, to each their own. But it doesn't make the suggestion any less valid. People are told, don't drink too much it will blow your liver (sound advice), but that doesn't stop millions from drinking themselves into a grave, so why should the advice to close your browser, if YOU don't want to do it be any different? Your choice, your call, your consequence.

Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by therube » Wed May 02, 2012 2:36 pm

closing your browser and not leaving it open aimlessly for days is a very good advice

Why?
Why is it OK not to reboot my computer for a month, yet I should do it regularly with my browser?

If not for daily (browser) updates, or extension updates (& we know some which are the most updated), or the need to close due to ever expanding memory usage (& it is not the memory usage itself but he deterioration of the browsing experience), I likely would not close for ... well until my computer required a reboot (like with the monthly MS security updates).

(Now all that is in a more perfect world.)


Used to have an Altos Computer 1000 system that ran MS Xenix (UNIX) that literally ran for years without a reboot. Built like a tank! (Check out the specs on that.)

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Re: Is there a way to set the duration of "Temporarily Allow

by Tom T. » Wed May 02, 2012 8:24 am

Thrawn wrote:... I'd love to configure Firefox to always ask before setting cookies, but it quickly gets to be a major pain, so I settle for session-only cookies and TACO (plus RequestPolicy, which probably helps).

Hmm... For years, I've used that setting: Accept cookies (not 3rd-party), and "keep until" > "Ask me every time".

One's favorite sites are quickly configured permanently. I visit a lot of sites in the course of doing support that I wouldn't visit elsewise, and need to keep that option (which includes "deny") to see if cookie permissions affect the issue. For personal browsing, I prefer to deny at any new site where it won't break the site or the needed function. The "ask every time" permits the denial or acceptance, with "remember this setting" checked when you're sure that this will be your permanent preference.

GµårÐïåñ wrote:First off, closing your browser and not leaving it open aimlessly for days is a very good advice, and in fact a must if you actually know what you are doing.

My thoughts exactly, but I was too polite to say it. :D

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