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Hi Giorgio, you're right! It seems you no longer have to allow google-analytics.com on kleinanzeigen.ebay.de! Just tested it with a clean 10.0 profile and NoScript and Request Policy installed (google-analytics blocked). Thanks for the reminder! Otherwise I guess I'd still be surfing with google-anaytics.com allowed for this domain. Now I have removed all ABE rules and such from various addons. Thanks again and have a nice day :D

It seems to work for me on both 9.0.1 and Nightly (13.0a1), clean [url=http://kb.mozillazine.org/Profile]profile[/url] and [url=http://noscript.net/getit#devel]latest development build[/url] 2.2.9rc1:
[img]http://noscript.net/misc/img/ebay_ga.jpg[/img]

Did Ebay fix something on its side?
Are you still able to reproduce? How?

[quote="wupna"]Thanks for putting work into it and clarifying. Have a nice day.[/quote]
You're very welcome, and the same good wishes to you.

Thanks for putting work into it and clarifying. Have a nice day.

[quote="wupna"]Thanks for the reply. At the moment I am not able to emulate an older version, but I could try with a clean 3.6.25 profile where it also didn't work. Maybe it's really a matter of the Fx version. Who knows..[/quote]
I do, now. :ugeek:

But first, I had to tell the armored guard with a machine gun, who stands at the door of Windows with orders to shoot-to-kill on sight the moment that GA appears, to take a break and have dinner. :D

The first discovery was that, in fact, one's country does not matter. I thought the site worked for me without GA, because I did not know what it was supposed to look like.
But with the screenshots posted (thank you!), I see that I was missing the buttons and links on the right side.

The Firefox version does indeed matter.

With Fx 3.6.25, temp-allowing GA in NS and RP makes the page appear as it should, as in Tom.de's second picture.

With Fx 9.01, temp-allowing GA makes everything appear except for the magnifying glass in the lower-right of the large photo.
I tried allowing *everything*, even the Facebook like/don't like button :o , and could not make this appear.

I do not know why. And if you will pardon me, I think that I have reached my limit of research on this issue. :shock:
(ETA: One more of many reasons why Your Humble Servant prefers to use Fx 3.x as default browser. IMHO. YMMV.)

So the problem is solved on F3. And if the magnifying glass is not a requirement for you, then the problem is solved on F9 by temp-allowing GA. Or if you use the site frequently, use [b]wupna[/b]'s ABE rule to automate this for you.

The Big Picture is that the present google-analytics.com script surrogate is not meeting this site's needs.
I copied the GA surrogate on both F3 and F9, compared them using Windows File Compare utility, and they are identical.
So that is not an issue. The surrogate does not work at this site regardless of browser version.

I will make [url=http://forums.informaction.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8042]a formal RFE[/url], asking Giorgio to modify the surrogate to fit this site, so that we can all go back to blocking GA everywhere.
Please be patient, as he has a very long TODO list. ;)

Thank you all for your time, patience, research, and cooperation.

Cheers,
- Tom [img]http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink004.gif[/img]

Thanks for the reply. At the moment I am not able to emulate an older version, but I could try with a clean 3.6.25 profile where it also didn't work. Maybe it's really a matter of the Fx version. Who knows..

[quote="wupna"]Btw. @tom.de: Your second picture shows a small magnifying lense in the buttom right of the classified's main picture which I guess is for enlarging it. I cannot reproduce this lense (or enlarging the pic), neither with a new Firefox profile nor with Opera. I wonder why that is. Do you have some add-on which causes it or is this surely part of kleinanzeigen.ebay.de :?:[/quote]Thats definitely from kleinanzeigen - I have no image related add-ons.

Also if you can't get the full images sizes, this definitely means something is still broken (IMHO). Maybe your Fx ist to "new" for kleinanzeigen, can you emulate a Fx with a lower UA?

Btw. @tom.de: Your second picture shows a small magnifying lense in the buttom right of the classified's main picture which I guess is for enlarging it. I cannot reproduce this lense (or enlarging the pic), neither with a new Firefox profile nor with Opera. I wonder why that is. Do you have some add-on which causes it or is this surely part of kleinanzeigen.ebay.de :?:

Hello Tom T.,
thanks for your extensive testing, but I'm afraid your right with your last posting (that it might only concerns german/european users).

I used now the ABE method wupna described in his post [url=http://forums.informaction.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8028]here[/url].

[quote="wupna"]
To clarify things again. With all necessary services on kleinanzeigen.ebay.de allowed but google-analytics.com (at least) the following errors occur:
[list][*] clicking the small pictures so that their big version is displayed in the "main picture place" doesn't work
[*] the counter how many people visited the classified is not displayed
[*] options on the right are not being displayed, like contact the seller, print or recommend
[*] category cannot be chosen, place/zip code is not working properly[/list][/quote]Yes, here are also some screens:
Without working GA:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4551608/ebay_wo_GA.png[/img]
With working GA:
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4551608/ebay_with_GA.png[/img]

Thanks again,
tom.de
(actually I logged in because I thought I could upload the images here in the forum...)

Ok, for whom it may concern: For the time being and with the help of Tom T. (thanks again) I found a solution which is pretty much satisfying to me (see [url=http://forums.informaction.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8028]here[/url]).

To clarify things again. With all necessary services on kleinanzeigen.ebay.de allowed but google-analytics.com, (at least) the following errors occur:

[list][*] clicking or mouse-hovering over the small pictures so that their big version is displayed in the "main picture place" doesn't work
[*] the counter how many people visited the classified is not displayed
[*] options on the right are not being displayed, like contact the seller, print or recommend
[*] category cannot be chosen, place/zip code is not working properly[/list]

:idea: LIGHTBULB! :idea:

ebay.de probably doesn't care whether I let G-A run, because having a US IP address, they figure I'm not a likely customer, and my info is of little value to them.
Probably only those with German, Austrian, or other nearby Eurozone countries are required to run GA.

IIRC, fellow Moderator [color=#00AA00][b]GµårÐïåñ[/b][/color] has a German IP or proxy available, and of course, so does Giorgio.

And I seem to recall that our long-time forum contributor [b]dhouwn[/b] has such an address or proxy available to him.

[b]@ dhouwn:[/b] Do you care to take over this investigation, at least until one of the Gs shows up? :)

Or can you hook me up with such an address or proxy -- for free, of course? ;)

[quote="Tom.de"]But I can't quite follow you:
[quote="Tom T."]When necessary, one can "fool" the page by TA G-A.com in NS, but leave it default-blocked in [url=https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/9727]RequestPolicy[/url][/quote]Doesn't work here: I have to allow GA in RquestPolicy and in NoScript, in order to get the menu and all photos.[/quote]
Ignore that. It isn't necessary.
[quote="Tom.de"][quote="Tom T."]RP works as GA surrogate would![/quote]?[/quote]
I meant that it seemed that allowing GA in NS, but blocking it in RP, seemed to accomplish the same goal as a GA surrogate: to make the page work properly while not sending any personal data to Google. Again, it does not appear to be necessary as I try it now.

Firefox 3.6.25, NS 2.2.8rc2, but again, 2.2.7 should work the same.

Everything was exactly as in my most recent post, which was using Fx 9.01.

If you had RequestPolicy before, did you allow classistatic.com? This is necessary.

Then everything works as described for Fx 9.01.

[quote="Tom.de"]What is now the exact reason the built-in GA surrogate doesn't work as it did before?[/quote]
The site works perfectly for me on Firefox 9.01, NoScript 2.2.8rc2, although the latest stable release, 2.2.7, should also be fine.
The changes in the development build would not affect the site in question here. Details below.
[quote="Tom.de"]I could also write an email to the webmaster, but I don't know what to write.[/quote]
No webmaster is going to tell you how to use his site with NoScript, which may block third-party ads, costing him money, and also block a data-miner like GA. ;)

Here is what I did:

Go to home page, kleinanzeigen.ebay.de
Temporarily allow exactly the above site, although if you visit it frequently, you may wish to add it to your whitelist.
Allowed session cookies. Firefox Tools > Options > Privacy > Show Cookies shows one folder from kleinanzagen, with three cookies inside it.
In RequestPolicy, allowed requests from ebay.de to classistatic.com, a Netherlands-based server of still images and other content, much like Akamai. I checked; it has a fine reputation.

I see an ad for a car, OPEL ASTRA F-CC 1.4 TÜV- (the rest does not show, but it's:
[code]http://kleinanzeigen.ebay.de/anzeigen/s-anzeige/nordrhein-westfalen/autos/opel/u556176[/code]
Pointing or hovering the mouse does nothing, but clicking the picture takes me to the full-page ad, with one large photo and several smaller ones, price, etc.
I made screenshots if you need to see them, but to me, the site seems to work fine.

So I try a bicycle. The same result. Criterio asks to run, but it's not necessary.

Haus & Garten:
http://kleinanzeigen.ebay.de/anzeigen/s-haus-garten/c80

Erste listing was for schrank-buffeschrank. I click on it.
google.com asks to run, but not necessary.
Clicking still produces the full advertisement. I have a screenshot of that, too.

I know for a fact that G-A.com is not running, because my Windows is configured not to allow *any* browser -- Firefox, IE, Safari, -- to call to G-A.com.
This is via the HOSTS file, a personal choice.
(Mac has one too, and it could be similarly edited. Off-topic here. The point is that GA is most definitely *not* running.)

I can't imagine any other difference between our systems that would make your results different. Unfortunately, I don't have a Mac to test on.
If we can't fix this, I will have to ask fellow Moderator [color=#00AA00][b]GµårÐïåñ[/b][/color], who has Mac and every other OS known to mankind ;) , or Giorgio, to help us.

My previous advice about allowing G-A in NoScript, but not in RP, does not seem to be necessary. I'll go back to Fx 3.6.25 and see if the above works now. (and answer your questions about that post)

[quote="wupna"]I started another thread on this problem on the ABE subforum: http://forums.informaction.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8028[/quote]
I replied there, thanks.

@ Everyone else: [b]wupna[/b]'s work-around was to create an ABE rule to allow G-A at the site in question, but nowhere else.
That should work, but I'm investigating why it's necessary, this time on Firefox 9.01, to see if there's a different result from 3.6.25.

A language issue occurred to me briefly, but if a German site wants a German-language script, it should call to something like google-analytics.de instead of .com.

[b]@ Tom.de:[/b] I don't know why you couldn't reproduce on 3.6.25. I'll list all my settings, etc. after trying on 9.01.
In the meantime, no offense, but your 8.0 really should be updated to 9.01 for the sake of safety, even if it doesn't affect this issue.

Back in a little while, I hope.

I started another thread on this problem on the ABE subforum: http://forums.informaction.com/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8028